How do I deal with my sister's situation

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Veri

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Hello everybody,

I have been reading this forum since summer 2023 and have learned a lot from it. So first of all, I would like to thank everybody for sharing so much information and good advice. I do not really know where to post this because for the medical experts, my sister’s diagnosis is a confirmed diagnosis and I think that by now, it is pretty obvious, but my sister is still in denial. I know it’s every patient’s right to remain in denial and to reject help. But I don’t know how to deal with it. And I really would like some advice

But to summarize it all, by now it would be a really really long post and I would not want to post it without your permission. I was never in my life able to be brief, unfortunately. Also, I wonder if I should post this in the „Could this be ALS“-section or rahter in „General discussion“? Please feel free to move this post.

Regards

Veri
 
Hi, Veri, and welcome. I am glad the forums have helped you.

Feel free to post more about your sister in this thread, though if you can be somewhat concise, that will improve the odds of readership. I have moved it so you can get advice from both caregivers and people with ALS.
 
Thank you so much, Laurie.

I will try to summarize the events objectively. But it is still a long story

In May 2023 my sis started to have problems with her speech, saw a neurologist who referred her to the neurological section of the local hospital. They made all the tests necessary to exclude all the other possibilities. Apart from speech, at that time the only abnormal finding was in EMG: florid denervation on 3 levels and chronic neurogenic changes on 2 levels. I was there with her with my sis and BIL and I asked them if they could exclude ALS. They said unfortunately not. That was in September 2023. She was prescribed Riluzole but didn’t tolerate it.
Since in the follow up-appointment my sis told them her speech had gotten better, they made the diagnosis “temporary bulbar palsy” but noted that the EMG findings did not fit in the picture. But it was my sis’ wishful thinking anyway. Speech deteriorated really fast. Next examintion in April 2024 they found chronic neurogenic changes on 3 levels, dysarthrophy and dysphagia, fibrillations and arthrophy of the tongue, fatigue and weakness oft he left hand, and secured ALS, phenotypical: progressive bulbar palsy.

My sis and BIL also got a second opinion by one of the big ALS centers in Germany. At the 2nd visit there in February 2024 the doctor diagnosed „ALS with the phenotypical variant of a progressive pseudobulbar palsy new phenotype A5-B6“ (no idea what that means). The doctor wrote in his letter that at the time being he assumed PLS or upper motoneuron predominant ALS because the 2nd motoneuron was not involved. He also prescribed DMC which my sis didn’t tolerate. At the next appointment in June 2024 nothing much had changed except the doctor found a beginning foot elevation palsy and prescribed a foot orthosis which she never got. She told me once he also prescribed an electric wheelchair but they did not need such a thing.

Of course they have done the right thing, getting a 2nd opinion, even a 3rd, of course. But then my sis and BIL started seeing more neurologists and even more neurosurgeons (I have stopped counting) because they were and still are pursuing the idea that a stenosis of the neuroforamen causes all the symptoms and if this gets fixed, she will be all healthy again.

It is true she has this stenosis, but the examinations (including 2 swallow tests and many x-rays, MRTs and CT) all came to the conclusion that the myelon is not affected, it has nothing to do with her symptoms and there is no indication for surgery. But she insists she wants surgery. And she holds on to it and keeps repeating it like clockwork. My BIL when he speaks to me says he can see that it is ALS, but in her presence denies it. They also have people around them who deny it, too, like, 2 alternative practitioners, one of which claimed he would completely heal her if she drank his potions and did his treatments. The healing was supposed to be achieved „by November“ last year, which obviously never happened, but no one wonders.

So far diagnoses and developments. The current status:

In July 2024 they went for 2 weeks to a hospital with my niece and my sis, because she was so exited and worried about her daughter and never used a walking aid, tripped and fell and broke her leg – again. And in hindsight I must say – she has been breaking her legs for years but it was always „the dogs ran into her“ and she has kept dropping things for quite a while but we thought it was the strong sleep medication she was on. Anyway, before July she was still able to drive her car – afterwards never drove again. Using her hands has become more and more difficult.

By now, she cannot do her hair, use a zip, pull up her trousers if they are not really really lose, cannot turn in bed herself according to my BIL and lately has had problems to get out of bed at all. She fell a couple of times just getting up from a chair. Her speech has been unintellegible for a while now. She uses her phone to speak what she types with one finger, still trying so hard to speak and repeat and repeat until the other person says „I am so sorry, love, but I cannot understand you, please type it“. A couple of weeks ago we were still able to do a bit of workout in the basement – now she says she is too weak to even sit on the bike. She is really unsteady on her feet.

A huge problem is her weight loss (since July last year 20 lbs) and inability to chew/swallow food and drink liquids. She also has Hashimoto’s and had lost half of her long blonde hair and they both told me it’s because of the stenosis of the neuroforamen but it turned out it was caused by her thyroid. I really had to push them both to have this checked by a doctor. Now the hair is growing again. Small success.

I also reduced my working time from full time to 4 days so I can go there and stay over once a week and still have Sundays for our mum (89 ys. old, breast cancer fort he 2nd time, mastectomy coming up in March) and my partner (COPD and thrombosis) and our little doggie. My sis and BIL both say it does them good and takes a lot of weight off, so, no problem. But I am struggling. I was watching my sis choking from her food and spilling liquids all over the table and herself, which I thought was humiliating. Also my BIL was complaining every single day to her that he put so much effort in cooking for her when she did not eat (but she just could not). I know because we speak on the phone every night and often at dinner time. So I told them to puree the food and use a dysphagia cup and thickener, because I had learned that from the forum. And my BIL said „yes, I will do that“, but nothing happened for a couple of weeks because my sis said „but I don’t want my food pureed, but I don’t want a dysphagia cup“.

Then I brought a mixer and made them try and since then they always puree the food every day. Also ordered a (very chic) dysphagia cup which she is using now and thickener. Still, I am really really scared that important steps will be missed because they stopped seeing the neurologists and ALS center. It may all sound unemotional to you from my side, but on the contrary, I love my sister very much and I want her to have what is good for her but of course, also what she wants. And if she made a conscious decision on „no vent, no feeding tube, no tracheotomy“, I would accept it. But this is not a conscious decision.

I also wonder what will happen when one day she wakes up and cannot walk and there is no wheelchair. No lift (bedroom, bathroom are 1st floor). No hospital bed. No nothing!! I also have to mention that insurance would pay for all of it – suppose this is still different in Germany. Also, she has „level of care 4“ out of 5, so, everything would be covered, even nurses, but they both refuse to think about it. There also is no living will – although BIL is a lawyer, but he refuses that because he is afraid to make a wrong decision. My sis cries a lot and soon as she has another disappointment because doctors „do not want to help her“ she says she doesn’t want to live any more. I just don’t know what to do. Trying to cheer her up, read to her, let her cry when she is, my baby sister … and make her try certain things like the cup, cut her hair and so on. I cannot order a wheelchair, though, and that would be overstepping boundaries which I do not want to do. It’s a delicate matter anyway.
 
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I am so very very sorry. This is such strong denial and as you say is making a hard road even harder. You are an awesome sister and she is very lucky to have you. Excellent job getting them to accept pureed food and the cup. That is a huge win

Have you talked to your bil privately and told him all you wrote here? You said he will admit it is ALS when she is not there. Working together you MIGHT be able to get your sister to accept more practical aids possibly as “ temporary” help as she believes it is fixable

I don’t know if you are trying to convince her it is als still? Maybe just maybe stop. Sometimes the more you try the more they dig in

This is so tragic and you are such a good sister. Take care of yourself too as it seems like you have a lot on your plate
 
oh my heart hurt reading your story 😞. I too have a baby sister, and that bond is so precious. Maybe regarding the devices she needs but refuses (especially the wheelchair) you can act as if it’s “for the time being”, “until the doctors can address the issue (that she believes it is)”. Let her know you’re on her side about getting her concerns addressed (even tho you know in reality they won’t be), but that the chair will make her life & her husbands life easier until then and also safer until then too). Denial is an alternate reality for the person living it, finding a way to reach and help them in that reality may be the best you can do. She’s lucky to have you. 🙏
 
You are the best sister. I would combine Nikki's and JAM's approach, so you are working with her husband on aligning that "alternate reality" with the equipment she needs. I might even weave in something about having talked with the doctors or nurses (any she respects) about it and their agreeing it is the right course (which is not a lie).

At this point, it is unlikely that her denial will turn around in time, even if she's acting as if because she's trapped herself. So, like all delusions, you can just try to run with it in parallel with the actions that serve her best.
 
Thank you so much for your kind words and your suggestions. What you wrote made me realize that I was still waiting for my sister to say "there is no more denying I have a terminal disease and now let us speak about how we can deal with this". But this is not going to happen, and as you have tried to tell me in gentle words, I must stop waiting for it to happen. You are right. Although it is a horrible thought that she migt pass away still believing that the doctors could have helped her if they had only wanted but let her die.

Two days ago my BIL told me on the phone that they haven't slept for 2 nights because my sis is not able to pull the blanket over herself and to turn in bed by herself. I suggested a transfer board to both of them, on the phone, and he said he is going to buy one. But I suppose he isn't, like all the times before.

I have tried to suggest the "just for now until you get better"-thought to my BIL. This is something we can agree on and which he tries now, although it turns out that he himself has switched back to "she might be healed by surgery on her cervical vertebrae C7". That's what he tells her, but he also tells me, even when we speak alone. I have reminded him that unfortunately, this is anatomically impossible - because all the sources on the internet say that if at all, C7 can lead to paralysation of 3 fingers and triceps, nothing else.

And I have come to the conclusion that I am not going to discuss any of it with them any more. When they tell me, which they did yesterday, they are going on a holiday but my sister only wants that "after her surgery has succesfully been carried out", I will try to say nothing. Just "uh, I see".

A couple of weeks ago my niece asked me how I deal with the situation. We all live together in one house, my mum, niece and nephew, my partner and I. Only my sister and BIL live in another city. So I speak to niece and nephew quite often.

My niece said that she cannot speak to my sister because she cannot address the problem when her mother denies it, but would like to speak about it with her. "Not only about the weather all the time", she said. She would like her mother to come to terms with it and then help my niece and nephew to come to terms with it. Since this isn't possible, it leaves her somehow speechless. I understand that. Shortly after that, by BIL asked me if I could speak to my niece because she never calls her mother and doesn't ask her how she is. I told my BIL the reason. But all he said was that I should try again.

Now you probably wonder why he doesn't ask her himself. The reason is, because he is the stepfather and she doesn't really like him. My sister is re-married. The father of my niece and nephew had a stroke and hasn't been able to walk and talk for about 10 years. If I had mentioned all this in my first post, it would have been even more confusiing. It was already so much information. :) Well, and I thought that next time he asks me, I am just going to tell him I am sorry but I can't do it.

This was just to give you a heads up. Thank you again for your patience and empathy!
 
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Hi Veri…you are being the best big sister you can possibly be. She is so lucky to have you but my heart breaks for you. My younger sister was also diagnosed almost 3 yrs ago with bulbar onset ALS after experiencing similar symptoms as your sister. She’s a veteran in the US so at the moment she has very good medical care. She’s never been married and no kids so I am her person that knows her best and is making sure she gets the best care. It hasn’t been easy to say the least.

It’s extremely stressful. Just reassure her that you are there for her…and your brother in law. I wish there was more we could all do.

The denial may be related to FTD (frontal temporal degeneration).
 
Sorry for not answering sooner, but I had all hands full. Mum had her mastectomy 2 weeks ago and since my sister is not able to share responsibility with me, it's all on me. My partner had back pain and now pneumonia and is bed ridden, work is really really challenging, so I had my hands full. Then the forum seemed to be down, at least I wasn' able to open it.

@ Sylhowle, I am so sorry for you and your sister. How do you cope? I hope you have people to share your feelings and thoughts with, because that makes all the difference.

As to your thought about ftd: This is really possible. My niece thinks my sister has always been like that. And - yes, she always used to walk out on people who tried to talk to her about matters she found unpleasant, or to lie down on the floor and weep if it was about her responsibilities (e.g. as a mother). But I think it has become worse, because the day when mum had her surgery, my sister's dog had to be taken to a clinic, and - yes, is was serious, the doggie had internal bleeding. But still: My sis wrote in the family chat about the dog all day but didn't even ask how our mum was doing and how the surgery went. And this is not like her. She used to be there whenever mum was ill and needed help.

Lately my sis has been falling a lot, was lucky so far, only took bruises, not like July. Still denying it all - and it is getting harder for me to accept that. I couldn't help suggesting a walking aid a couple of days ago - but my sis and also my nephew (he is there with her atm) said she only needed to be more careful.

Thank you all for listening to me, it means a lot to me.
 
I am so sorry your are going through this. You are a wonderful sister. I can see that your situation is very difficult and your hands are tied in several ways. ALS is a disease that requires caregivers and PALS to anticipate equipment before it is truly needed. At this point, perhaps a walker should be brought to your sister and kept in a closet or stored until she is ready to try it out. I realize you understand this and know this. I guess the problem is getting the rest of your family on board.

Perhaps you can share this story with your family and it will help. My husband walked around the house with the walker and was quite pleased and a little bit later, maybe a day or 2 later fell getting out of the lyft recliner and never walked again. It rather caught us by surprise.

Also you might say that when I called 911 they sent a very strong female sheriff. Together we were able to get my husband to the bed we had downstairs and pull him onto it. it took all my strength and really this female sheriff did all the work. We were lucky we were not hurt. Maybe explain to your family that not only may your sister be hurt by the falls, but someone else in the family trying to help her up may be hurt.

So the walker, hoyer lyft, and customized wheelchair all need to be considered. Unfortunately, it is time. I know your nephew says she needs to be more careful. Unfortunately, her nerves and muscles are not working correctly and she will need this other equipment. I understand your hands are tied. Does your nephew have any interest in reading this Forum?
 
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I don't have much to offer except I'm so very sorry that your family is going through all this. ALS is bad enough, but when one or more PALS or CALS is in denial, resources don't come when needed.

I was in the opposite situation. My story is long, but my older brother didn't believe I had anything wrong. In his defense, he was nearly 80 at the time, but I functioned as his caregiver when he got sick and I provided financial support. I don't think he ever came to terms with it and eventually developed dementia so it was never addressed. I have no children or husband, so I had to rely on friends for emotional support. I live in Florida and all my relatives live in NY.

I'm so sorry your sister's family is going through all this.
 
Thank you so much, Mary2 and Kim. I told my BIL about your husband, Mary2, and it made him think. Also, I watched my sister fall (again) last weekend and when I helped her up, I realized it's totally hard when someone has no more body strength to help. You are right there, Mary2. Fortunately, she is a lightweight. It happened, though, when I had only just arrived and my BIL and nephew were out running errands. I reminded them what could happen when no one is there to help her up.

Since the falls sometimes happen when one of their dogs is crossing in front of her unexpectedly, I suggested a walker again because it would protect her. I told her that I would "pimp" the one which used to belong to my BIL's father, and now my mother has it but doesn't use it. I showed her pictures on the internet of how nice a walker could look, and she agreed! So, they have ordered one for upstairs, and I shall bring the other one from home for downstairs. I have put a lot of pink plastic roses and ribbons on it at it really looks cute! My sister really loves that kind of stuff.

Still, my BIL is in stronger denial than before, and my nephew, Mary2, he wouldn't read this. He is on the autism spectrum and says what his mother says. So he believes it's all temporary until she gets her surgery.
 
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